maybe military personnel, well , not for combat, conducting combat operations, but for a peacekeeping mission, but these are still troops from western countries, these are troops from nato member countries, and now it seems to me that some more real images are emerging, and uh, there is also another interesting aspect, that macron here feels some kind of special, so to speak, responsibility for ukraine, first of all, because he put forward this idea with the troops first, when everyone there, so to speak... there were even a few who said, you're crazy, what are you talking about? you say, there were such reactions to macron's statements at the time, and now it's also interesting that macron feels some kind of responsibility for ukraine because france participated in the normandy format, and that's why putin's entire peacemaking regarding donbas failed then, it failed, she feels that she needs to take revenge somehow, take normandy for that, for that failed minsk process, and so on...

but when putin deceived both germany and france and attacked ukraine, having previously recognized these so-called groups the dpr, their so -called independence in slavky, then macron also feels personal responsibility for zelensky, he was the first western leader with whom zelensky met as a presidential candidate, then having gone to paris before the 1999 elections, macron, so to speak, and personally has very friendly relations with zelensky, good relations with... with him and an attitude towards him, so to speak, like some kind of protege of his in europe, so in principle macron's role here cannot be underestimated, especially when olaf scholl scholz weakened and there will be elections in germany in february, and it must also be said that it is not a fact that scholz will be even the opposite, that he will remain chancellor of germany, so we will see how the role of britain will be very. perhaps, although it

is not in the european union after brexit, kirstarmer is absolutely on the ukrainian side, absolutely supports ukraine, believing that peace for ukraine should be stable and long-lasting and fair for kyiv. this week, rostislav visited kyiv, the leader of the opposition, the german opposition, the leader or candidate for chancellor from the cdu csu friedrich mars, and during the meeting with zelensky. discussed the idea of ​​creating a contact group on ending the war consisting of germany, france, poland, great britain and nato, and the first meeting in the new format is already planned for december. the representative of the president, or rather, the deputy head of the office of the president of ukraine ihor zhokva, says that president zelensky wants to discuss ukraine's invitation to nato at the meeting of the contact group on ending the war and security guarantees until the completion

of the process of joining the alliance, let's listen to what zhovkva said. we have, of course, the example of sweden, finland, which, having received at the madrid summit the relevant decision of the nato member states that they are invited to begin negotiations for joining nato, the next line in the same decision was a phrase that already today the security of finland and sweden is an important issue for all of nato. this is one of the mechanisms how... to obtain security guarantees, for example, until nato membership. well, it is quite understandable that president zelensky has been so precisely, so insistently asking our western partners for the past six months to consider the issue of an invitation to the north atlantic alliance, not about ukraine's accession, but about an invitation, and then discuss options for the accession of part of the country, part of the country may be, or as an option, may not... not join the alliance,

but the alliance does not recognize the occupied territories, so in this situation, of course, it is a very difficult decision, obviously for the countries that are members of the north atlantic alliance, what to do in this situation, because the option that is often mentioned, germany divided in half, and one part was in nato, the other was in the warsaw pact, it is clear that this is not the wrong option for example, eh, does this mean that the alliance... should go and make a new historical decision of such, what a precedent, which was not in the history of the north atlantic alliance? well , yes, that is, it is impossible, well, they say, compare this situation with the german situation during the cold war, when the federal republic was germanized in 55 joined nato, well, east germany was in the warsaw pact then, that is, under soviet de facto occupation in the communist bloc, but this is a different situation, because...

there were no hostilities on the territory of east germany at that time , as is the case in the occupied parts of ukraine, and now it's still not a cold war in the classic sense, although its elements are clearly present, and the soviet union was powerful then, but putin's russia is weakened, including by western sanctions, and in general it's such a colossus on clay feet, so in principle the situation can be compared, or not compared. then zelensky said correctly, well, it seems to me that an invitation to nato should be issued for the entire territory of ukraine, even those occupied by russia. territories of these 18 or 20% of ukrainian territories that are under russian occupation, including crimea, so the alliance should operate and so to speak, well, and the fifth article there are some guarantees there or peacekeepers should be in the territories controlled by the ukrainian government,

so one aspect is interesting, the other aspect is interesting, it seems to me that it is clear that the ideal option would be, and it would greatly strengthen ukraine, if joe biden were to leave office, and trump's inauguration would take place on january 20 next year, if during this time joe biden, for example, let's imagine, issued an invitation to nato, and trump took it into account, but did not withdraw it and put pressure on russia, and only if russia agreed to negotiations and a just peace, then we would, so to speak, withdraw this invitation, even if ukraine were not in nato, but if there will be a stable peace, then it is very important, you understand, well, that is... to strengthen ukraine so much in the negotiations, as if there were an invitation, it is capital, ukraine's shares would go up in the negotiations. there. well, but we also need to understand another interesting point, that when ukraine now talks about guarantees, integration, the european union is also mentioned, which is more realistic,

poland will begin to chair the european union from january 1, 2025, poland will chair the european union for six months, and then ukraine wants to really strengthen, open the first cluster, maybe not even one in. and strengthen their own european integration, and i will remind you, by the way, that in ukrainian sentiments among ukrainians , the number one factor of integration into the european union, the union, ukrainians put security, precisely as a security factor of european integration, so that both the european integration of ukraine and its reality will also work to strengthen ukrainian negotiations, negotiating positions with russia, that you know, that's there, in and you there who in europe is not waiting, no, no, no, they are waiting and waiting, and really, and membership in the eu, this is reality, here is the beginning of the 25th year, and the beginning of the real discovery of clusters, and there are only six of them with the european union, this also strengthens ukrainian positions, makes ukraine stronger and works

to ensure that peace for ukraine is fair, and that russia and its troops leave ukraine. thank you rostislav for including me, this was rostislav khotyn, radio editor. from prague. friends, we continue to work live on the tv channel, as well as on our platforms on youtube and facebook. for those who are watching us now there live, please subscribe to our pages, take part in our survey that we are conducting today, we ask you this, have you encountered an unreasonable shortage of train tickets? yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, if you have a special opinion, a personal opinion, please write in the comments under this video on youtube. if you watch us on tv, take your smartphone or phone in your hands and vote for the numbers: yes 0800 211 381, no 0800-211-382. all calls to these numbers are free, vote at the end of the program, we will summarize

the results of this vote. next, we have volodymyr tsybulko, a political analyst, writer, people's deputy of ukraine of the fourth convocation, on the line. mr. volodymyr, i greet you and thank you for joining our broadcast. greetings, glory to ukraine. glory to the heroes. well, we are not in vain asking about railway tickets, because today in kyiv and the region, ukrainian law enforcement officers conducted searches at ukrzaliznytsia facilities in a case regarding abuses by officials with international passenger transportation, and not only international ones. what the police say: the actions of the defendants led to significant losses and the creation of an artificial shortage of tickets for the most popular routes in the free sale, this scheme, about which, the extortion scheme, which was exposed by ukrzaliznytsia, the police say, is a million-dollar scheme, for each trip the train conductor paid the cash desk from 200 uah from the route in ukraine

and two 500 € from the most popular foreign routes, passengers were sold seats in the service compartment and the rest compartment of the conductors, who do not sell at the... cash desk or in the application ukrzaliznytsia bought tickets for 300-500 € through this scheme , so because of this whole scheme, in just six months of 2024, ukrzaliznytsia missed out on 73 million uah. well, for whom, as they say, mr. volodymyr, is war, for whom is a mother, well, we are again talking about the fact that there is a state enterprise, from which people simply stole money and until the last moment, until today, and no one saw it, why in your opinion is everything, everything, everything happening like this? why was the lack of tickets not a reason to figure out what

well, what's happening at ukrzaliznytsia is that it was impossible to buy a single ticket abroad, because there were always some problems with tickets, and when you came to the station, it turned out that you could take and buy a ticket from the conductor, well, this is an old business of conductors, train chiefs, and especially when uh... there is a rush demand, of course, a lot of people benefit from this speculation, but you can't engage in such transactions when you don't have special people in ukrzaliznytsia itself. people, this is simply not possible , an outsider cannot do this, that is, this scheme was precisely coordinated with the functionaries of ukrzaliznytsia, i want to remind you... that ukrzaliznytsia was a state within a state throughout the years of independence, and when they

even established a supervisory board there, and such characters, such notable railwaymen, famous railwaymen and honored workers, like serhiy leshchenko, work there, that is, this supervisory board, whose members received a monthly salary of, well, more than 300 thousand hryvnias. managed not to see, for example, the purchase transformers at triple the price, she did not fail to see the purchase of curtains for cars at 600 uah each, in my opinion, for 600 uah you can actually buy some kind of fire screen, and not for the curtain, that is, you can say that the railway simply fed... whole huge clans, and at the same time,

well, the supervisory board sat and clicked its beak and pretended that it was analyzing the financial flows in ukrazaliznytsia. well, this is a very strange situation in fact, and if it was really large-scale, such large-scale wrappings were carried out, then the supervisory the board should resign, and the director of the railway should definitely be held accountable to the law enforcement agencies, because if he didn't see this, then he's a bad director, if he saw it and kept quiet, then he participated in it. mr. serhiy, there is such a character now in the bank komyshyn, who has jumped through all the ranks, wherever possible. he managed ukrzaliznytsia, during the time he managed ukrzaliznytsia, as far as i remember, he managed to become richer for the third time, from 60 million uah to 108. 10 million uah his fortune increased, well, in the same time leschenko

and others like them also profited, i want to remind you that, for example, some deals in the interests of ukrzaliznytsia were accompanied by functionaries of the security service of ukraine, especially the famous story with the purchase of transformers, but there are no serious conclusions, the character who appeared in the purchase of transformers is not even there. there, there, well, at first they were spinning something with criminal cases, as well as questions with criminal cases about these curtains, blinds, that is, such stories on ukrzaliznytsia as on a dog flea, but at the same time, not a single functionary of the supervisory board expressed any protest to the management, i want to remind you that kamyshyn then headed... strategprom, which precisely strategprom managed

to make 100,000 mines that do not explode, then he changed and went to work in the bank in zelensky's office, he was replaced by smetanin and all the chestnuts fell on smetanin, so to speak , for the mistakes of the previous team, well , of course we will... hope that the police will figure out what happened at ukrzaliznytsia, and, well, we always have this punishment, or suspicions come when... there's nothing to do and it 's not clear who's to blame, what's to blame, but they stole money there, and ukrzaliznytsia lost a lot because of this, as well as the suspicion that was raised against former people's deputy vadym kolyasnichenko, who has been living in russia since 2014, and

you finally raised this suspicion against him for high treason. he is also suspected of inciting national hatred, combined with deception , and glorifying the aggressor state. now klesnichenko regularly makes anti-ukrainian statements in the crimean media and supports russian aggression. kalisnichenko is far away, he is outside ukraine, but, mr. volodymyr, there are a lot of people who could also be held accountable before the ukrainian state and before the ukrainian court and before the ukrainian people. for high treason, they are still on the territory of ukraine and at some points collaborate with deputies of the servant of the people faction in the verkhovna rada of ukraine. 400 deputies of various levels are in local authorities from the opp, who were elected, why aren't the investigation

and special services taking care of them? i've been saying this all the time of the occupation, well, first of all, if... they deregistered the opzh, deputy groups sit in councils of various levels, sharia's party was also liquidated , and the communist party, and there's a lot of stuff, but i understand that in the third year of the war , the final deregistration of these parties has not been completed, moreover, boyko, for example, is now acting as a well-known tick-talker, and he's already scratching the information space, so to speak, with an eye on the upcoming elections, he, he, he is already being fueled in the information space, he is already being thrown on social networks, his comments, and at the same time, the servant of the people party, which has not had the votes for the adoption

of any laws by a single majority of votes for a long time, for a year and a half , has recently been using... the services of the opp party, that is, the remnants of the opp. i want to remind you that in my opinion, 15 deputies from the opp have fled outside the borders of ukraine. by the way, 42 deputies came out of the servant of the people party during the war from the faction, 42 deputies left, and for some reason some left the country. just like the regionals, the opp, the fire brigade left the country, but i want to remind you of one more point, we remember how petro poroshenko was not allowed to attend the summit of the nato parliamentary assembly, but the person who, since the election of zelensky, has been forming lists, shooting lists in ukraine, uh, some kind of

tailor, he and his son left ukraine already, in my opinion, in may, when... well, the russian troops were repelled from kyiv, and no one is still dealing with them, and they were shooting according to these lists a bunch of people, then the head, the head of the main intelligence department spoke at a conference about how russia was drawing up the lists of executions, but it wasn't russia that drew up the lists, the lists were drawn up by the person you were sitting at the same table with at the ba. portnow, you see, the issue of responsibility, it's also an issue of justice, i would say that, because the issue is about responsibility and justice, ukrainian civil society always demands justice, and there have been several times over the past 30 years when people there came out and demanded justice,

and the revolution on granite, and the orange revolution, and the revolution... dignity, justice, this is the most important issue, and this demand for justice, it will not disappear anywhere, but maybe on the contrary will intensify during the war, and during the war it also intensifies, because people feel injustice, because those who worked for the enemy or continue to work for the enemy, they do not receive proper assessment from our special services and the authorities, on the contrary, the authorities use these people, well, let's wait until there is a... appropriate reaction to this fifth a column that is not going anywhere. another topic that i wanted to talk to you about is how the president of belarus lukashenko, who for the last... two years has been trying to somehow show that he was not putin's co-aggressor, that putin himself led these

troops, because they were on the territory of belarus, these troops were on this west 2021 exercise, and here suddenly the self-proclaimed president of belarus turns to putin to deploy them on his territory. why should he act as a target for a response, because lukashenko says: i myself will be able to give instructions where to hit these araks, where not to hit, but no matter how he doesn't say it now... it's a secret that he will decide, russia and putin will decide, and the response will come not from russia, but from belarus. well, this game of militarization

- this is the only thing, lukashenko is simply playing on the same registers that putin is playing on, and lukashenko needs to constantly, well, be half a step behind putin, he is counting on, perhaps, that for him, this war will end and... as for bulgaria world war ii, when the essentially pro-hitler government suddenly jumped out and jumped into the camp of the victors and in many ways bulgaria was forgiven for many things that hungary did not have time to do, for example, so in essence lukashenko behaves in such a way as not to be swallowed by russia, but at the same time, he betrays putin in the process, that is, everything that... lukashenko, he presents himself as such a caricature, but he exposes putin, because putin stands up with this deployment

of nuclear weapons as a destroyer of the convention, this is, firstly, the proliferation nuclear weapons. secondly, this is a departure from the budapest memorandum, i want to remind you, because in the budapest memorandum not only ukraine but also belarus and kazakhstan received guarantees. and when belarus suddenly receives nuclear weapons, it means that in essence lukashenko is burying the budapest memorandum, for what? in order to create international circumstances for putin, as a person who destroyed the convention and is spreading nuclear weapons in the world. that 's why? that is, in essence, lukashenko, in the face of them, so to speak, under... testifies, witnesses putin's crimes, but he must be co-responsible for putin's crimes, the fact is that the belarusian opposition insists

that it was precisely at lukashenko's behest that approximately 16,000 ukrainian children were moved to the territory of belarus, and therefore he should be sitting in the same self-imposed prison as putin on the hague bench? well , it's completely understandable, either or... next to bashar assad, because this week bashar assad moved to moscow, he was taken out of syria and not without help, as the washington post writes, not without help, to by the way, ukrainians, because the syrian rebels who overthrew the regime of bashar al-assad received some help from ukraine, in particular drones and support for ukrainian drone operators, writes the washington post columnist. david ignatiev, citing his own sources, well, we can say that what happened in syria was also our contribution. well, these are alaverdi for the events

in israel, the fact is that russia was preparing hamas drones, drone operators, well, and so on, so to speak, the iranian-russian coalition from the ukrainians, and thanks for the friendly steps of israel, so. i hope that israel will still help us, having, so to speak, dispersed the threats in the middle east and having formed a more or less understandable security situation together with the turks. in short, in just a minute, how the situation that is developing now in the middle east will affect russia's positions in the world, not only in the middle east, but also... well, and of course in ukraine. well, today boris pistorius, the most popular among the social democrats in germany, said,

that, the minister of defense, said that this is... well, an example of the fact that everyone who deals with putin will lose strategically, that is, this is exactly what should be recorded, if you want to have any business with putin, prepare for defeat. thank you, mr. volodymyr, for including you, this was volodymyr tsybulko, a political expert and people's deputy of ukraine of the fourth convocation, a writer, friends, i remind you that we work live on the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. throughout our entire and we ask you about this, whether you have encountered an unjustified shortage of railway tickets, and i will repeat right away, i will repeat again, that we are conducting this survey, a survey in connection with the police's exposure of schemes that existed at ukrzaliznytsia and allowed officials to earn money on tickets for reselling tickets and selling seats in

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